During an episode of the "Pod Save America" podcast, Obama described the actions of Hamas as "horrific" and stated that there is no justification for them. He also pointed out the challenges faced by Palestinians, referring to the occupation and the conditions they endure. "Nobody's hands are clean, we could go on for a while," he said. "If you want to solve the problem, then you have to take in the whole truth," Obama said. "And you then have to admit nobody's hands are clean, that all of us are complicit to some degree."